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Woo Won-shik, the speaker of the South Korean National Assembly, signing the impeachment resolution
Woo Won-shik, the speaker of the South Korean National Assembly, signing the impeachment resolution

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December 15

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December 15, 2024 (2024-12-15) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Oil spill in the Kerch Strait

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Article: 2024 Kerch Strait oil spill (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least one person has died after two Russian oil tankers, Volgoneft-212 and Volgoneft-239, were damaged during a storm in the Kerch Strait. Vologneft-212 split in half and sank, causing an oil spill, while Vologneft-239 began drifting and ran aground near the Port of Taman. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least one person has died after two Russian oil tankers, one of which split in half and is leaking oil, sustained damaged during a storm in the Kerch Strait.
News source(s): ReutersMeduza
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Nominator's comments: Of course the incident happened today, but I don't see the facts changing much until tomorrow. CommissarDoggoTalk? 19:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the environmental toll becomes clear. I also recommend rewriting the blurb as something similar to "Two oil tankers cause an oil spill after being heavily affected by a storm in the Kerch Strait". Departure– (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense, yeah. I will note that it's not actually clear at the moment whether both of the vessels are leaking oil, what is clear is that Volgoneft-212 is. I'll definitely write a shorter altblurb though. CommissarDoggoTalk? 19:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I don't think the death toll is notable if it's only 1. Oil spills don't typically cause super high human fatalities, and since this is even below that bar, it shouldn't be in the blurb. Departure– (talk) 19:34, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 14

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December 14, 2024 (2024-12-14) (Saturday)

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Politics and elections

RD: Isak Andic

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Article: Isak Andic (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Co-founder of Mango. 240F:7A:6253:1:E8CD:74DA:23C1:323A (talk) 06:22, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Georgian presidential election

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Article: 2024 Georgian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mikheil Kavelashvili is elected President of Georgia. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: Passed a few hours ago. There'll be protests and whinging the next 2 weeks (especially on dec 29th, but per the remit of wiki he is elected. Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, USA uses an electoral college (technically trump is not elected yet, that happens this month)Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are two big differences. Firstly, the US president administers the executive power, so the method of election is irrelevant as long as it's an ITN/R item. Secondly, there is an open presidential election in the US to determine the composition of the Electoral College, whereas the presidential election in Georgia is done under closed doors by an Electoral College composed of all parliament members (50%) and other representatives (50%). The comparison will hold if the open presidential elections are abolished in the US, and the president is elected by the members of the Senate and representatives of other governing bodies.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is head of state.Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We typically post changes in the leaders that hold executive power, not necessarily the head of state. That would be the PM in Georgia under its current system. In the US, it's the president. In India, it's the PM (not the president). In Germany, it's the Chancellor (not the president). We may discuss changes in ceremonial posts, too - e.g. King Charles III was posted - but it's not ITNR and it's not a given. Khuft (talk) 14:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The story here is not that a new President of Georgia was elected by Parliament, but that the election is disputed and this may lead to a constitutional crisis if e.g. protests become even more disruptive or the current president Zourabichvili decides to refuse to leave. So let's wait to see how the situation evolves. Khuft (talk) 14:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The protesters may not accept the new president, and Zourabichvili may refuse to leave, but it's really irrelevant in the whole story. Georgian Dream have full control over the Electoral College, so they can practically elect any candidate they want. In general, ruling political parties elect the president almost always when there's no open presidential election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My point was rather, if the situation degenerates in Georgia, there may be something to post. But that will be a revised nomination, if it happens. Khuft (talk) 15:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That should be a separate nomination.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, per Khuft Let us also not underestimate what is happening. The fact that a president denies that she wants to leave office because she considers the parliamentary elections to be fraudulent (and European institutions have also pronounced so) is not trivial, it is notorious and could lead to a constitutional crisis for the most important office in the country, even though have not executive powers. In any case, it has been customary to post the election of presidents of republics of parliamentary systems. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb wasn't elected, he was nominated, or you could go as far as saying installed. Opposition is currently boycotting every process since the falsified elections Abcmaxx (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    no, he has been elected by Parliament, even if he has not taken office. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a sham election, ran unopposed, so he was de facto installed by an undemocratic regime. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If I have all the details here straight:
  • This wasn't a general election—that was in October—and the head of government in Georgia is actually the prime minister, so this is not under WP:ITN/R.
  • The actually notable thing about this process seems to be the turmoil around it: according to the BBC, the outgoing(?) president refuses to recognize the results, opposition parties boycotted the process, and there are protests in the streets. That feels significant to me, but this nomination does not really bring them up.

I agree that we should wait (per Khuft and _-_Alsor) and see if this becomes a real constitutional crisis, and then renominate (per Kiril Simeonovski). Yo.dazo (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol

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Article: Impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The President of South Korea, Yoon Suk Yeol (pictured) is impeached following his declaration of martial law. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The President of South Korea Yoon Suk Yeol is impeached following his martial law order in the second attempt by a vote of 204-85-11 with Han Duck-soo becoming interim president.
News source(s): The Guardian BBC Al Jazeera
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Passed with a vote of 204 in favour. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --Direct700 (talk) 08:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support Came here to post it. Added alt blurb. It has to go through the constitutional court, but he will likely resign tonight.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Second blurb's information is slightly incorrect, because it was 85 opposed, with the 11 remaining between abstentions and spoiled ballots. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, fixed. Change if you want.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: 204 - 85 would be better statement Didgogns (talk) 08:12, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Add a comma in the main blurb. 208.92.245.20 (talk) 08:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But I would still Support. This is a major event in South Korea. 208.92.245.20 (talk) 08:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would lean towards the main blurb because it gets the point across nicely. 208.92.245.20 (talk) 08:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: clearly a major global event TheFellaVB (talk) 08:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Impeaching of a certain head of state is a major event. Moraljaya67 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You mean sitting head of state?Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:50, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Moraljaya67 (talk) 10:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for self-evident and WP:ITN/R reasons. Yo.dazo (talk) 08:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ASAP, article clearly in good shape, and hopefully the beginning of the end of political turmoil in South Korea.廣九直通車 (talk) 09:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major news HurricaneEdgar 09:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Should we replace the ITN image too? No offence meant towards Gukesh, but I think this is kind of more important. Also, we should probably replace the image with one of Han Duck-soo since he's now the acting president. Yo.dazo (talk) 09:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there's a image on Commons showing National Assembly Speaker Woo Won-shik signing the impeachment resolution. Maybe that would be a good selection.廣九直通車 (talk) 10:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. River10000 (talk) 13:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is ITNR, so the new prez should be mentioned.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting comment Would an image of Han Deok-soo be available to put? Dyaquna (talk) 03:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 13

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December 13, 2024 (2024-12-13) (Friday)

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RD: Lorraine O'Grady

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Article: Lorraine O'Grady (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American conceptual artist. 240F:7A:6253:1:1BC:CF87:9EC0:9B1E (talk) 01:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

+1, giant of conceptual art, important Black woman artist Raggachampiongirl (talk) 03:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you commenting on quality, or notability? All Recent Deaths entries are notable enough to be posted, and if you do want to see this processed sooner your comments and direct improvement efforts should focus on whether the article is well cited and updated. Departure– (talk) 03:30, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft oppose for a few uncited statements, but otherwise the article looks quite good. ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:41, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kevin Andrews

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Article: Kevin Andrews (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 01:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New French PM

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Article: François Bayrou (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ François Bayrou is appointed Prime Minister of France. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ François Bayrou is appointed Prime Minister of France after the collapse of the Barnier government.
News source(s): The Guardian, L'Express
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Nominator's comments: Bayrou was nominated by Macron today; transfer of power from Barnier happened in the afternoon. Khuft (talk) 19:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is not sufficiently updated. The rest of the article isn't a quality showstopper for ITN though, so a few more sentences in the body would help here. Departure– (talk) 21:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb should probably link (but not necessarily highlight) the no-confidence vote that led to this. --Masem (t) 01:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt-blurb now that the entry has been updated with information about Bayrou's strong-arm tactic -- the threat of removing centrist support for the government if Le Cornu were nominated instead... (nb: automatic ITN/R) -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 11:41, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 12

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December 12, 2024 (2024-12-12) (Thursday)

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Sports

RD: Papia Sarwar

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Article: Papia Sarwar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thedailystar.net/news/bangladesh/obituary/news/papia-sarwar-no-more-3774396; https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/people/367888/rabindra-sangeet-icon-papia-sarwar-passes-away
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 VeilVanguard (talk) 13:42, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support. Everything appears to be sourced, but the article is still quite short and only two sentences in the articles are about her career. Would love to see the article further expanded before it's posted. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Clarke Reed

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Article: Clarke Reed (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NYT published obituary on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Article looks long enough and everything seems to be well cited. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:31, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) The Game Awards 2024

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Article: The Game Awards 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Astro Bot wins Game of the Year at the Game Awards. (Post)
News source(s): WaPost (live blog), NYTimes, NPR, BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Congratulations, to the winner. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment to only point out this is not yet ITNR, but if this is posted, that will be the 4th consecutive year we have posted it, and we should open an ITNR discussion for that. However, right now, I'm looking for non-gaming news coverage of this, it might be there tomorrow morning (typically when the major outlets have covered in the past). --Masem (t) 04:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem: I was under the impression that the BAFTA and its best game award were the more prestigious in the industry (also not on ITNR).
    And do we really want to put an award show less than a decade old which has this on its lead para: "The show's reception is generally mixed: it has been lauded for its announcements and criticized for its lack of acknowledgement of events, use of promotional content and its treatment of award winners." Gotitbro (talk) 07:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The BAFTAs are probably more prestigious but certainly less popular (and that's probably more of a discussion to have in April anyway). The Game Awards is technically more than a decade old (though only just), and I'm not sure how strongly its critical reception should influence its ITN eligibility. The Oscars, Emmys, and Grammys certainly have their fair share of growing criticism, for instance—often seemingly more than the Game Awards—but ultimately that doesn't make them any less significant or newsworthy. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 09:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, we posted last few years and it really should be on ITN/R. Article still needs work though. FunIsOptional (talk) (use ping please) 04:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - It meets the criteria, we have posted this ceremony for the past 4 years, and there is a similar amount of prose as the articles for previous years which, as I said, did get posted. Rahcmander (talk) 18:39, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) World Chess Championship 2024

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Article: World Chess Championship 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Challenger Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) wins the 2024 World Chess Championship in Singapore with a score of 7.5-6.5 over previous champion Ding Liren. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Challenger Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) wins the 2024 World Chess Championship, becoming the youngest undisputed World Chess Champion at the age of 18.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) defeats Ding Liren in the 2024 World Chess Championship and becomes the youngest undisputed world champion at the age of 18.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) defeats Ding Liren in the 2024 World Chess Championship, becoming the youngest-ever world chess champion at the age of 18.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In chess, Gukesh Dommaraju (pictured) becomes the youngest undisputed world champion at the age of 18, after defeating Ding Liren.
News source(s): The New York Times, The Hindu, Chess.com
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.216.56 (talk • contribs)

How about "Gukesh Dommaraju becomes the youngest World Chess Champion at the age of 18 years, breaking a record held by Garry Kasparov since 1985."? 9ninety (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added as part of an alt blurb. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added "undisputed" as Ruslan Ponomariov was younger when he won the FIDE World Chess Championship 2002. He broke Kasparov's age record from 1985.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since the undisputed title attracts greater recognition, I still think it's worth mentioning that Kasparov's record, which stood for nearly forty years, has been broken. Gukesh is four years younger than Kasparov was when he won the title; it's safe to say this record will likely never be broken. 9ninety (talk) 16:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support ALT2 ALT3 is inaccurate since Ponomariov was younger than him when he won the FIDE world championship, there is also no need to link chess. Setarip (talk) 20:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not the right place to discuss.
*Comment I don't know who is responsible for the posting but how come this has been posted but the news of the Ghanaian elections haven't been posted even though this was nominated today and the later was nominated on December 7? Heatrave (talk) 23:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not compare this way, each one is judged individually. For the Ghanian elections news, you can see there are opposes with reasons mentioned and consensus is in building process, whereas this article news had a snowball of support. This is not a forum to compare different news. Thanks, ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 07:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ExclusiveEditor this is not a comparison. It is more of a reminder. One is an election, one is a world championship and posting is 5 days apart. It's a matter of circumstance that this received an overwhelming support in comparison to a the Ghanaian election due to the audience profile but if nothing at all, reviews should be done in order of when it was posted.
    News is news regardless of whether it received a snowball of support. In this case, one is around the election of the president of a country. Most elections are treated with urgency and i do not see why this should be different.
    Are we saying that a nomination needs a snowball to be posted? If other elections were not posted 6 days after official declaration by the recognised Electoral body, i believe this should not be different.
    I'm not saying that the world championship is not important, but the Ghanaian election was one of the biggest headlines in Africa and world at that time and it just feels like it has just been relegated. I don't believe other elections have experienced the same feat. Heatrave (talk) 12:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clive Robertson

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Article: Clive Robertson (broadcaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5], [6]
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 08:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 11

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December 11, 2024 (2024-12-11) (Wednesday)

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RD: Hugh Cornish

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Article: Hugh Cornish (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7], [8], [9]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 00:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Fraser Hart

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Article: John Fraser Hart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): American Association of Geographers
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American geographer. Obituary published 11 December. Thriley (talk) 09:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jim Leach

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Article: Jim Leach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American academic and politician. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Bonderman

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Article: David Bonderman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: American billionaire businessman. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Khalil Haqqani

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Article: Khalil Haqqani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Taliban minister for refugees, killed in a suicide bomb. Article is only included day of death by not means, needs updating. Masem (t) 13:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as updates related to the death are good and well-sourced, and the article doesn't seem to need cleanup.
~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ok now Bremps... 19:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've done a bit of clean-up of the article, principally adding an archive-URL for one of the main sources that had gone dead. That showed that there is uncertainty when he was born, with an eight-year span. There was coding in the infobox that he was 58 by the time he died and I don't know whether that was put there because the article had a birthdate of 1 Jan 1966 shown, or whether there is a reliable source for that age. If there is, it would be worth tidying up the birth year range before this gets posted. If there isn't a RS, then it's ready as is. Schwede66 03:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 10

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RD: Michael Cole

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Article: Michael Cole (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10], [11]
Credits:

Article needs updating
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 Happily888 (talk) 06:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for missing citations for filmography and for the body statements including a presumed TV Guide quote about Mod Squad. If sufficient citations are added, consider this support.
~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: The Amazing Kreskin

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Article: The Amazing Kreskin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American mentalist. 240F:7A:6253:1:F917:2081:847F:CE12 (talk) 04:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rocky Colavito

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Article: Rocky Colavito (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 04:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not Ready Multiple CN tags. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: S. M. Krishna

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Article: S. M. Krishna (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13] [14]
Credits:

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 Srf123 (talk) 04:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some parts of the article are still unsourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The unsourced sections have now been sourced. Article is ready for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 9

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(Posted) RD: Thomas Hertel

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Article: Thomas Hertel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MDR
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German composer and theatre manager, good for musical-scenic projects. Article was mostly there, but refs added. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Benito Aguas

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Article: Benito Aguas Atlahua (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Murdered Mexican congressman. Moscow Mule (talk) 18:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mazen al-Hamada

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Article: Mazen al-Hamada (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Syrian activist. Body found 9 December. Thriley (talk) 17:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - a few unresolved CN tags, and the article might need a spot check or two to fix a few oddly worded sentences. Article has been updated sufficiently however. Departure– (talk) 17:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nikki Giovanni

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Article: Nikki Giovanni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WDBJ7
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: American poet. Prose is well-referenced but many awards and works need references. Innisfree987 (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now lacks inline citations for awards and works, as stated. Also, it appears external links are inappropriately used in the body of the article. Other than that, plenty of sources and of a good length. Departure– (talk) 03:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Ali Mahmoud Abbas

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Article: Ali Mahmoud Abbas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (LBC Group)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: His death was reported on X after 11 hours Syrian Observatory for Human Rights confirmed in a safe house in the Damascus countryside.

Well sourced and covered deserves nomination

@Andrew Davidson Considering as developing story, would it be on a presumed death. QalasQalas (talk) 12:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Siaosi Sovaleni

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Article: Siaosi Sovaleni (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister of Tonga Siaosi Sovaleni resigns ahead of a vote of no confidence. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, ABC News (Australia), AP News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: His article has 30 references, but the resignation of head of government is enough for posting. Moraljaya67 (talk) 13:30, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is hardly updated with only one sentence in the body about the resignation. Maybe an article about this apparent political crisis would be preferable to the article about the PM himself, but a head of government resigning appears notable enough for ITN. Departure– (talk) 17:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Departure– adds separate article QalasQalas (talk) 17:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Eras Tour ends

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Article: The Eras Tour (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift's concert tour, The Eras Tour, concludes in Vancouver, Canada, becoming the highest-grossing tour of all time and the second-most attended after 149 shows. (Post)
News source(s): The Canadian Press
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Historic tour with a rich socioeconomic and cultural legacy, even if you do not like her this is a defining cultural moment. User:Rushtheeditor (talk) 01:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was not aware of that posting, but I would be 100% against it. Natg 19 (talk) 07:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Rupert Murdoch succession judgment

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Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 23:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Succession of Rupert Murdoch (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nevada court probate commissioner hands down judgment against Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan in their bid to change the irrevocable family trust, which would remove voting powers from Lachlan's siblings (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A Nevada court probate commissioner rules against Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan in their attempt to alter the Murdoch family trust, which would have given Lachlan full control of News Corp.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Significant shift in powerful media empire at stake, including Fox News and News Corp

p.s. It's 10 December here in Australia, and not sure whether this should be posted on that date as it's late in the day in the US already?

It's not any ordinary family dispute. The ramifications are huge. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 22:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose local court makes procedural decision This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. The Kip (contribs) 22:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose Ultimately unimportant news about a private corporation. Departure– (talk) 22:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just to answer the submitter question, we go by the date in the region the event happened, not your local date. So this is currently correct as Dec 9. Masem (t) 22:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, thank you.
    I don't know how many of the opposers have followed the saga or understand the ramifications, but this family, specifically Rupert and his son Lachlan, help to shape the political landscape in the US and Australia. Rupert is no ordinary media businessman in the background - he actively determines the editorial lines in his media empire, and Americans should understand the influence of Fox, as Australians understand the influence of Sky News and his daily newspapers and media outlets in Australia (almost a monopoly). This is why this case is notable. The voting rights of the other siblings - much more moderate politically - could have huge impacts on the directions of Fox and News Corp, which in turn have huge influence on politics, and issues such as climate change, and thus energy policy, etc. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not like Fox is going anywhere. Departure– (talk) 00:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Newsworthy? Yes, to some extent, but not sufficient for it to go on ITN. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 23:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As Laterthanyouthink pointed out, more important than anything we have run on ITN lately. Far more important that the latest wars in the Middle East. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know, the collapse of the Assad Regime, one of the most repressive and brutal dictatorships on Earth, does seem a bit more important than Murdoch's FOX News getting held to its own legal contracts it had previously agreed to. Departure– (talk) 01:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not on the planet I am standing on. Only a fraction of the COVID deaths in the United States under the Trump regime, and the estimated three million deaths annually due to climate change. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Trump didn't cause climate change nor COVID. I'm not going to lie and admit he was at all blameless nor say he didn't do anything to worsen the impacts of both, but COVID was going to happen anyway, and climate change started well before Trump took office - he was only party to legislation and the nation's response to both, even if Murdoch's Fox was very influential to Trump's support and ideologies. This isn't Fox suddenly shutting down, it's Fox's upper management getting held to it's own legal agreements that it agreed to - hence the name, agreement. Right wing news media is not going to die suddenly and this shouldn't be seen as it's sudden death. Departure– (talk) 01:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Agree with others. Not a major news story. And I am doubtful that Fox News is going to change much, even with the outcome of this case. But even if Fox News suddenly became a "moderate" or "left-wing" news organization, this issue is of limited scope and not relevant to much of the world. Natg 19 (talk) 01:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Created altblurb and cleaned up nom, if it does get posted. Natg 19 (talk) 01:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There has been, and continues to be speculation that the empire will break up, and that Fox may get sold off. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Let's post this when Fox breaks up or is sold off. Departure– (talk) 13:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As someone else mentioned, there are big ramifications to this. Murdoch influences votes wherever he operates (and that isn't just the USA). It is expected that this ruling will lead to a softening in the Murdoch empire's rabid support for hard right politicians and parties. HiLo48 (talk) 01:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose at this time, as the appeal is already announced. This is the score at end of the first quarter of the game. Post when the last court speaks, not the first. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This being appealed means that this is not even the end of the legal side of this saga, let alone the fact that even before this it was hardly important. Departure– (talk) 14:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose private dispute that has kept the status quo. There's little immediate impact, except for the family and their lawyers. Of course this is an influential organisation and who runs it does matter, but this court ruling isn't significant enough to merit an ITN blurb. Modest Genius talk 15:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose seems very trivial compared to anything we have run on ITN lately. And that's before considering that this is a pretty low-level court on a private family matter. Nfitz (talk) 17:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per all above, surprised this nomination hasn't been closed yet Hungry403 (talk) 18:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Two or more rounds of appeals still left. Let's consider once it's gone through the full judicial process. Khuft (talk) 18:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support will have a massive impact on the Anglosphere, this bloke is practically a king maker in the US, UK, and Australia, ITN should cover what could be the collapse of his media empire Kowal2701 (talk) 19:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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December 8

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(Closed) 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria (ongoing)

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(non-admin closure) Consensus is against posting. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Axios
 ArionStar (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps: "Syrian rebel forces capture Damascus and Israel invades southern Syria as overthrown president Bashar al-Assad (pictured) flees to Russia." Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 23:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's way too much going on now to be able to fit everything into a blurb. I think it's best to just hit the key points. Bremps... 00:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this blurb. 2605:8D80:560:54FC:A9EE:899B:AD28:4E0F (talk) 00:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not every special military operation is an invasion. Israel invaded Syria decades ago and still hasn't left. But there are now Israeli settlements in the occupied territory - so I'm fine with adding an ongoing about ethnic cleansing. Nfitz (talk) 00:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is special military operation a sarcastic reference to Putin or not? I'm genuinely curious as I don't have that much background knowledge about who did what in Syria. Bremps... 01:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is. Israel hasn't even entered an area of Syrian control. They've merely put some troops into the Area of Control, that is, if anything, UN territory. Nfitz (talk) 02:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Rebel forces capture Damascus

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POSTED
Discussion is devolving. Further comments about the blurb should be taken to WP:ERRORS, as a few editors have already done. DatGuyTalkContribs 10:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Battle of Damascus (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Syrian rebel forces capture Damascus following multiple offensives by various opposition groups. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Syrian president Bashar al-Assad (pictured) flees as rebel forces capture Damascus following multiple offensives by various opposition groups.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad (pictured) collapses as rebel forces capture Damascus following multiple offensives by various opposition groups.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad (pictured) collapses as rebel forces capture Damascus.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Article is NOT ready as of this nomination, but this is a defining moment in this conflict. Departure– (talk) 02:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support A decades old dynasty that came to an end is definitely newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Much bigger than Notre-Dame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5d:5b00:23c3:c1ff:b038:b3a5:d438 (talk) 06:09, 8 December 2024
Strong support THIS is actual news. A decade of war finally over Abo Yemen✉ 05:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
alt blurb 2 obv Abo Yemen✉ 05:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Yeah honestly just change it to "capture" because there is almost a 100% chance that it will fall by the time it is posted Lukt64 (talk) 02:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Clearly notable; this is probably the biggest story of the month so far. It's already on the front page of the BBC, the New York Times, CNN, and quite a few others. Looks like it's Assad who must go, after all. Gelasin (talk) 02:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, Assad is done
Personisinsterest (talk) 02:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait altblurb It hasn't been officially confirmed that Assad has left. But when it does, support.
Personisinsterest (talk) 03:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The rebels have apparently taken over various government buildings, and Assad has fled Damascus. I think a more suitable blurb would include “captured” or “taken over” Damascus, but this also works. They have completely won. Hungry403 (talk) 02:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support time to migrate Syria to Ba'athist Syria. Scuba 02:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb – Assad has reportedly left the country. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 03:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting, preferably as soon as possible. Massive development in a long-running conflict. -insert valid name here- (talk) 03:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personisinsterest (talk) 03:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait for confirmation that Assad has been toppled and where he has fled to. This is one of the biggest stories of the year. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
STRONG support confirmed2A00:F3C:A282:0:4C7A:412B:134E:D001 (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: per above and Damascus has fallen
QalasQalas (talk) 04:27, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Assad leaving doesn't necessarily [yet] confirm it has falled. At least we can say Assad is a gonner 2A00:F3C:A282:0:4C7A:412B:134E:D001 (talk) 04:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See AP: "Syrian government appears to have fallen in stunning end to 50-year rule of Assad family". Gust Justice (talk) 04:35, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't get, so what's your point? QalasQalas (talk) 04:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The departure of the Assad family doesn't mean the government has fallen. Mubarak's family left Cairo and Sisi is stil there as same old, same old. Hear the PM. There is not new government.2A00:F3C:A282:0:4C7A:412B:134E:D001 (talk) 04:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not analyzing what will happen in the future.
WP:RS confirmed Reuters, AP and AFP
  • Asad administration has fallen
  • Damascus is under rebel control
  • Syrian National TV said he jetted into a disclosed location
QalasQalas (talk) 05:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Finally! It's confirmed. The articles are in the nice phase where it's comprehensive before it inevitably devolves into a WP:INDISCRIMINATE hellscape and are postable. Bremps... 04:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've edited all blurbs to indicate the capture of Damascus, as current news reports. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 04:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Counter edit as untrue. The government collapses when there is a new governemtn and the PM is still talking about transitions. Biden's regime didn't collapse in november.2A00:F3C:A282:0:4C7A:412B:134E:D001 (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Damascus captures =/= government collapse 👍 you must've misread my edit. Here are sources: NBC News, Al Jazeera. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 04:38, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you hear the PM? 2A00:F3C:A282:0:4C7A:412B:134E:D001 (talk) 04:40, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The PM discussed the peaceful transfer of power, not whether Damascus (the city) has been captured or not. Reliable sources are reporting that the city is captured. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 04:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Fall of a capital city and a dictator, major news Dyaquna (talk) 05:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can't tell if this is premature celebration of peace being achieved or a polemical anti-immigration comment, but either way, I'm afraid that right now is probably not a great time to travel to Syria  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 06:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ??? Refugees are already returning from Lebanon. How is this different than the quick return of refugees from the camps in Thailand to Cambodia? Nfitz (talk) 06:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Because this particular conflict is too complex and multi-sided to know if the fall of Assad and the end of the war are necessarily the same thing.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 07:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Absolutely - but also not a great time to stay in Lebanon either. (though some new refugees are fleeing to Iraq). But it was the "polemical anti-immigration comment" bit I was responding to. Nfitz (talk) 08:33, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I considered that to be a possibility because anti-Syrian-refugee sentiment is very common in Europe and in Turkey so "Refugees can go home now." could have been read in multiple ways.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed, and the support comment has nothing to do with the ITN nom at hand. Also the refugess in Lebanon are not returning wholly voluntarily either [15]. Gotitbro (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but prefer that we use a picture of Assad, no strong opinions on any particular file. Without question one of the most significant things I've ever seen nominated for a blurb. Though I do have to respond to some of the comments that refer to this as the end of the civil war. As much as I'd like to be able to blurb that the civil war has ended, only time will tell whether the war will rage on even with Assad out of the picture. Historical precedent shows that dictators being deposed is often what precedes years of civil war. While it's never felt closer to being over, the rebel groups aren't exactly unified. Bear in mind that the rebel group that made the largest gains in territory this week is a splinter group that split from Al Qaeda – not exactly a group that the whole of Syria will peacefully be united under. But what we know to be certain is that the Assad era of Syria is history, and that is monumental news.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 06:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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