Talk:List of active sumo wrestlers

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Please Please :)

When a rikishi retires and you remove him from the active list PLEASE add him to the List of past sumo wrestlers, and when you do please put him in the list in the order of the year and basho he joined sumo, as all others in the list are organized as. Thank you! :) FourTildes (talk) 12:10, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Notes, guidelines, and reference information for article

This article, specifically, is a compilation of all the currently active professional sumo wrestlers who have individual articles on English wikipedia. Most of the wrestlers listed have been ranked in the makuuchi division (either currently or previously) . Upon retirement, the wrestlers' article links are moved to List of past sumo wrestlers. For the sake of completeness any wrestlers that are currently ranked in the most followed makuuchi division have a listing whether they have an article or not, hence a few red links at times.

Though it once had consensus, the criteria for rikishi to warrant an article is now being disregarded for the most part, so I am deleting any reference to these rules. There seem to be enough contributors, for the time being anyway, that all rikishi articles will be updated without taxing contributors too heavily. FourTildes (talk) 11:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Updated Rank sorting system

It seems efficacious to be able to sort the lists by ranks, so I devised a system to keep the sorting script from simply sorting alphabetically. For the list to sort wrestlers by their ranks top/down, I devised the following, revised, system:

The following code is before the rank name in the rank column:

data-sort-value="x"

The X needs to be replaced by an alphabetical "code" corresponding to the "division":

Yokozuna = a

Ozeki = b

Sekiwake = c

Komusubi = d

Maegashira = e

Juryo = f

Makushita = g

Sandanme = h

Jonidan = i

Jonokuchi = j

The letter must be followed by the wrestler's rank and e or west, for example: data-sort-value="e15e" is the sorting for "Maegashira 15 East" The rank must still be written out after the sorting in order to show up in the list.

Relegated wrestler column information

The following wrestlers are no longer in makuuchi and don't have an article on wiki, so they have been relegated off the list. However, so their info is not lost, and can be easily reposted should they reach makuuchi again and/or otherwise merit their own article, their column info has been put here for later reference. Hit edit to get access to their full markup. Incidentally, the rule of thumb is that a wrestler should get an article when he has had 3 winning tournaments in makuuchi or 6 tournaments (winning or otherwise) in total. A wrestler can also get an article if he has another reason for notability, such as Jōkōryū achieving the most consecutive wins from his debut. FourTildes (talk) 02:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

put in retired list later |- |Chiyonokuni
千代の国 |data-sort-value="g5w"|West Makushita 5 |2006-5 |Kokonoe | (1991-05-29) May 29, 1991 | Mie |best rank maegashira 1, has come back multiple times from injuries, two-time jūryō champion

USE THIS FOR NEW RIKISHI TEMPLATE

Midorifuji 翠富士一成	e1Maegashira 14 West ________________
Kagamiō 鏡桜	Off Banzuke	2003-7	Kagamiyama	(1988-02-09) February 9, 1988	Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia	best rank maegashira 9, first sekitori from his very small stable since the current coach Tagaryū was active in 1991, took jūryō championship after losing two playoffs in previous tournaments
Chiyono'ō 千代ノ皇	West Maegashira 15	2010-3	Kokonoe	(1993-10-01) October 1, 1993	Kagoshima Prefecture	best ranks maegashira 14, jūryō yūshō runner up, back in makuuchi after three years spent in lower divisions
chiyooChiyoō 千代皇	e0Jūryō 6 East	2010-5	Kokonoe		Okinawa	from debut, two consecutive appearances at same rank
Nionoumi Shinji	fMaegashira 16 West	2002-3	Kitanoumi		Shiga	makuuchi debut
Daikihō　Masahiro	e1Maegashira 16 West	2012-3	Miyagino		Fukuoka	makuuchi debut, junior high school champion, high school and college yokozuna
Kitaharima 北はり磨	e1Maegashira 15 East	2002-5	Yamahibiki		Hyōgo	makuuchi debut
Takanoshō 隆の勝	f1Jūryō 13 East	2010-3	Chiganoura	(1994-11-04) November 4, 1994	Chiba	best rank maegashira 13, runner up for jūryō championship
Wakatakakage 若隆景渥	f0Jūryō 2 West	2017-3	Arashio	(1994-12-06) December 6, 1994	Fukushima	best rank maegashira 16, has two brothers also in professional sumo

Unneeded divisions

Divisions were originally added in to simplify the current ranking updating process for those wrestlers below makuuchi. Now that all active wrestlers have full tables, this is no longer necessary. Though it looks nice to have divisions listed as separate headings, it would save a lot of time if they were eliminated. This won't affect sorting etc. I am going to go ahead  : ) but criticism is welcome and it would be easy to revert back. I have copied the section headings here for possible future use. Hit edit to get full access to their full markup. (Don't forget to re-add equals marks == == to titles if/when used)

Jūryō: Second Division

Makushita: Third Division

Sandanme: Fourth Division currently no wrestlers with articles in this division

Jonidan: Fifth Division currently no wrestlers with articles in this division

Jonokuchi: Sixth Division current as of May 2012 banzuke

Ring name	Current rank	Debut	Stable	Birthplace	Career and other notes

On-deck circle

Onokatsu Kazuhiro was ranked at Juryo 1 West and scored 9-6 (the first time he's ever lost more than 2 bouts in a tournament) in July so the next banzuke release August 26th will have him qualified as a Boldface Maegashira. Should an article for him be created before or after he's added to the list? 71.105.190.91 (talk) 12:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I would wait until after it has been created before adding, as this list is not supposed to have red links. Onokatsu has been mentioned as a possible new article at WT:WikiProject Sumo, I'm sure he will gave an article before long. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

this subhead can be used for noting newly-qualified-for-the-list rikishi

References

Including Japanese names

Would there be any support for the idea of including a column for the kanji name of the wrestlers? I think it would be of benefit to people who can already read the Japanese names, as well as those trying to learn. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I think it might be a good idea. My only concern, really, is that the table would get even wider. I suppose as people are getting bigger and bigger PC screens it is not such an issue... hmmmm... FourTildes (talk) 08:13, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Forgive edit mess you might have seen, I thought I was editing my sandbox but I was editing the actual article, which I have now reverted. Anyway, I couldn't stop myself from seeing what it might look like. It could be doable. Here is a beginning in my sandbox. FourTildes (talk) 08:39, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Looks good - I have no objections.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I think it looks good too. I was going to prepare a couple of samples, the other being the Japanese underneath the English name. But I think the separate column looks great. Thank you FourTildes. Shall we fill the list in your sandbox then copy it over? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Sure, feel free. I am still stuck on whether to have their full names in both boxes or to just have their main name in both boxes. I flirted briefly with the idea of having the name under the English name. I'm curious what that would look like. Would you mind making a sample with a few columns that are done that way before we proceed? FourTildes (talk) 21:19, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to keep you waiting, but I have prepared an alternative sample in this sandbox. As for including the full name, I personally feel it is unnecessary. I think of sumo wrestlers like Madonna; sure they have a full name, but can anybody ever remember it? I understand why the full name is included in the article title though. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Good stuff. To be honest, I think I like the style you have come up with in your sandbox better. It also doesn't clutter things up with more columns; less chance of the table getting crunched on smaller screens. It also seems pretty clear that it is only the kanji for the main shikona. My vote is to go with this way. Would you mind doing the honors on a full table? Oh, by the way, off the top of my head: Madonna Louise Ciccone - but I've always had a thing for names. ;) FourTildes (talk) 06:04, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Ozeki 1 East

The latest update has Kisenosato and Terunofuji both at O1E. That can't be right, can it? Tigerboy1966  07:07, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Good eye. That was a mistake. Glad to know someone is checking these things. thanks. You seem to be knowledgeable enough that I trust you to make a change yourself if you'd like. When I see your name come up in the edit list, I will trust it. FourTildes (talk) 07:42, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Ja article

I have decided to institute/try out an idea I've had for a while of linking an English article-less rikishi with his Japanese wiki article, so anybody who is curious can at least see a rikishi's picture in the Japanese version (most of which are provided by some guy named FourTildes, also known by his Japanese handle Furuboku...) They might also be able to suss out the tourney table and a little more info. You can how this works with Daieisho's entry. I have noticed other language wikis link English articles regularly (with the tacit acknowledgement that enwiki has a lot more articles). You can see this in the French wiki banzuke article for example. I see this as a useful alternative to giving an English article to every wrestler who manages to crawl his way to makuuchi once or twice. Thoughts? FourTildes (talk) 02:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

A good idea. And thanks for all your photographs!--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:06, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is a very good idea. I have simplified the template so that everything appears within one set of brackets. How I understand it is that by using this format, the Japanese link will no longer be displayed if/when an English article is created. I've amended the three current redlinks for Daieishō, Daishōmaru and Nishikigi. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:23, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that. Those redlinks were bugging me :-) --Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Bold (and Brave) Goeido

OK, I have a potentially controversial question/idea. This is Goeido's first tournament at Ozeki 1 East. Should this be acknowledged with a bolding of his rank for this tournament? In the past we have bolded wrestlers who achieved, for example Maegashira 3 EAST as their highest rank even though they had at some point previously achieved the slightly lower Maegashira 3 WEST as their highest achievement before. This was to acknowledge this is their true highest rank even if only slightly higher. But I know this time around, though it follows the same logic that was unquestioned before, bolding his rank will garner more criticism and questions because Goeido is high profile. I think bolding is the way to go, as it follows previous practice, and because it is worthy acknowledgement. But I am open to discussion. FourTildes (talk) 22:08, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

I have to confess that I had not noticed before that we did bold for West to East. I'm not convinced it's a good idea, whether for maegashira or ozeki. In the past the East side was considered more prestigious, that's true, but I think it's a stretch to consider it a promotion. For what it's worth Sumo Reference does not designate a move from west to east as a new highest career rank either. I could be persuaded however if there has been any publicity or media coverage in Japan saying that Goeido is at a new highest rank.Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Just another thought on this... I was concerned that it might be confusing to the reader, but maybe if a note was added to the introduction explaining the East/West divide? Something like – "Those ranked on the East side of the banzuke will usually have had a slightly better result in the previous tournament than those on the equivalent West side ranking, as the East is regarded as the more prestigious side"? --Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

I've now changed my mind on this – it's clear from this picture of Goeido holding up the new banzuke that it is regarded as a new highest rank. I will change the article.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Kanji

Could a reader of Japanese check that the kanji underneath Takakeisho's name is correct? I'm not sure if it's just Takakeisho, his full shikona, or his real name Sato. Thanks.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:47, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes I checked and the kanji is correct - the Jawiki link currently is redirected to his article under Sato because no one has got(ten) around to moving his page yet. FourTildes (talk) 11:02, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Real name, flag additions

What do we make of the addition of a "real name" column and flag icons? Unfortunately the (anon IP) editor who began this seems to have stopped halfway through. I don't mind the flags myself but I'm not sure the real names are really noteworthy.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:22, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know about 'we' but my reaction is yes to the flags, no to the names (extremely rare when someone would come here lookng for a wrestler by their birth name, so not worth the extra table-width). Agricolae (talk) 23:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Don't like either addition but I wouldn't fight over the flags. I would say that something needs to be done one way or another as the table currently looks a complete mess. Tigerboy1966  06:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I did see it but was hoping the anon user would get round to fixing it up. Yes, agreed: Flags aren't an overly cumbersome addition (I think this is not the first time someone has attempted to add them in; and given name is too much, table is crowded enough as it is. This appears to be what we think. :) FourTildes (talk) 13:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

They appear to be back; this time they've added a DOB column. And again, stopped halfway through!--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Birthplace

A conflict between a specific wrestler's page and this table has me wondering. I note that the Birthplace column, gives Wakaichiro as born in Nagasaki, yet his page says he was born at Houston, Texas (but cites as its source an article that only says he 'grew up' in Houston). This is an issue that needs to be dealt with regarding this specific wrestler, , but the conflict makes me wonder. Is the 'Birthplace' column truly representing their place of birth, or is this just a translation of Shusshin with the data formally listed for the reshiki, which as I understand it can likewise mean 'Hometown' (often, but not always, the same thing)? Do we know these are birthplaces given? Agricolae (talk) 23:35, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Since nobody else has weighted in, I am going to go ahead and change the column heading. Agricolae (talk) 22:34, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

I believe you are correct - we go with what the banzuke says. I recall we listed Chiyotaikai as being from Oita even though he was born in Hokkaido. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:45, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Kagamio

Does anyone know what's happened to Kagamio? I think this would be the first case of a rikishi with an article falling off the banzuke completely... unless he's handed in his retirement papers of course. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)