Talk:John André

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Year of birth

This website says he was born in 1751, and that his monument in Westminster Abbey gives his age as 29. Richard75 (talk) 16:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

It says 1751 in one place, 1750 in another! DuncanHill (talk) 02:14, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

André`s attempted land travel

OK, he meets Benedict Arnold at what we call Treason House, at Haverstraw. The "Vulture" is forced to retreat to where he can't reach it, so he's left with trying to get to British lines via land travel. The article says he's stopped near Tarrytown; how did he get across the Hudson to get there? Presumably he's riding the extra horse which Arnold had brought along; did he travel a little north and provide acceptable pass to get across via King’s Ferry at Stony Point? Carlm0404 (talk) 04:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I see, in Benedict Arnold article on Wikipedia:
"Arnold wrote out passes for André so that he would be able to pass through the lines, and he also gave him plans for West Point.[97]"
So Andre did indeed have some sort of pass? Carlm0404 (talk) 04:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Seen on hmdb.org (Stony Point, NY) and apparently providing yes for my question; "Having met with Arnold near Haverstraw in the early morning of September 22nd, Andre crossed at King’s Ferry in the evening in a futile attempt to return to British lines." Carlm0404 (talk) 05:10, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

23rd of Foot (Royal Welsh Fusiliers)

"At age 20, he entered the British Army and joined the 23rd of Foot (Royal Welsh Fusiliers) in British Canada in 1774 as a lieutenant."

Army Lists show that Andre was commissioned Lieutenant in the 7th Royal Fusiliers on 24th September 1771 and remained subaltern in that regiment until Jan 18, 1777 when he was promoted Captain in the 26th Regiment. He never served in the 23rd RWF [CORRECTION: see below] and is the only officer surnamed 'Andre' in the Army Lists until 1779. JF42 (talk) 08:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

The amendment of this biographical detail on 06:38, 30 September 2022 by Chiraq Bears slightly misquotes the cited entry in the Biographical Dictionary of America, which reads: On March 4, 1771 he entered the British army as second lieutenant, was on a leave of absence in Germany nearly two years, and in 1774 re-joined his regiment in America

That source's reference to "March 4th 1771" contradicts the information in the Army List re. the date of Andre's commission in the 7th on 24 Sept 1771. In relation to that anomaly and to the original point re 23rd Fusiliers above, the confusion is resolved by a handwritten note in the National Archives copy of the Army List for 1771 reads "Fm 23d Regt...John Andres [SIC] 24 Sept. 71." That same Army List shows that Andre had been commissioned into the 23rd on 25 January 1771.

An entry in the London 'Gazette' for 6th April 1771 notes in a War Office announcement of April 1st, under the heading '23rd Foot,' John Andre to be Second Lieutenant, vice Beckwith; by Purchase...

Evidently, Andre, having been first commissioned in the 23rd Royal Welch Fusiliers, as was customary in that period soon exchanged into the more fashionable 7th Royal Fusiliers.

Where the Biographical Dictionary of America reference to 'March 4, 1771' originated is not clear; ditto, its other unsourced information.

Amending accordingly. JF42 (talk) 09:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

He was taken to sand's mill not sands hill.

Can somebody fix that? 70.19.79.126 (talk) 14:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)