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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed.

How to use this page

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What not to propose for discussion here

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The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at Redirects for discussion.
Moving and renaming
Use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

Reasons to delete a template

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  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template

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Shortcuts

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. The use of Twinkle (explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:

Note:

  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators or Template editors.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code).

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024_November_14#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD. Follow this link to edit today's TfD log.

Add this text to the top of the list:

  • For deletion: {{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the |text= before the why (or alternatively, after the }} of the Tfd2/Catfd2).

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts. Deletion sorting lists are a possible way of doing that.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors

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While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

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WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{subst:Tfd notice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

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While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle

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Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion

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Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion

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Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions

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November 14

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Template:Largest cities of Bangladesh

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Completely unreliable and misleading The Banner talk 02:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Tone row/Intervals and other subpages

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Subpages with no transclusions. Created in 2013 and 2017. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 13

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Template:Big Matches

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Most of the links to matches are actually just links back to the main article Big Match. All of the schools blue links are unnecessary for this template, as can be incorporated into a different template like "Schools in Sri Lanka". Not an encyclopedic and useful template for this cricket event. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose removing the edition section keeping other parts. -- IDB.S (talk) 06:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pokhara Premier League

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No valid blue links (other than to the event article itself), and so template not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Champions League Twenty20 winning captains

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Unnecessary template linking players based on the result of one competition- there were tonnes of T20 competitions each of these years, so linking in a template for this specific event is arbitrary and unnecessary. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Champions League Twenty20 teams

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Contrary to the name, this is actually a specific season template for 2014 Champions League Twenty20- we don't need templates for every team in a specific season. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba ordinal category

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Unused category template. Gonnym (talk) 15:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:POTD selection

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Unused and can't seem to find usages from an insource search. Gonnym (talk) 15:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Zh-all

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This used to be a page that listed all the Zh language templates. Those have all been converted years ago and this page has lost its purpose. The two templates listed aren't "Zh-" templates so don't fit disambiguation. Gonnym (talk) 15:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:No references submission

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No transclusions. Created in 2017. This template may have been substed four times, but it does not appear to be in use anymore. It appears that other templates or processes have superseded it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment you raise a good point, Jonesey95. This was a template that I created back in the day that evidently didn't really take off and I'm not around AfC that much anymore. However, I do find it personally sort of helpful to exist. If it doesn't remain in the template namespace (and others don't think it useful), let's userfy it. --TheSandDoctor Talk 03:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:New Anonblock

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No transclusions. Proposed in early 2024, but the proposal did not gain any support. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:LRT Line A (Jakarta LRT)

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No transclusions or incoming links. Created in 2018. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Find sources multi/core

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Unused sub-template. "CORE" is not found in the list at Template:Find sources multi#Link codes. Gonnym (talk) 14:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Former Google Doodle

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Unused banner for a task force that hasn't been active in years and marked as historical. Gonnym (talk) 14:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Footer World Athletics U20 Champions men's 4x400 metres

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Unused and with no person links. If the creator hasn't abandoned these and still wants to work on them, they should move to draft or user space. Gonnym (talk) 13:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as the creator I admittedly had forgotten to complete and add these to the correct pages but this is something I can do within the next couple hours after I finish eating. Brandon Downes (talk) 18:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If these are completed and added, ping me and I'll withdraw my nomination. Gonnym (talk) 20:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gonnym Hi, all of them have been filled and added to the relevant pages now. Brandon Downes (talk) 23:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Contentious topics/anchor

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Unused sub template. Couldn't find this used with an insource search. Gonnym (talk) 13:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Connected contributor/entry

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Unused sub template. Couldn't find this used with an insource search. Might have been connected to Template:Connected contributor/refactored. Gonnym (talk) 13:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Collegesailingteam/articlelist

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Unused sub-template that was never used. We don't need to keep around every piece of code someone ever wrote. Gonnym (talk) 13:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:College wrestling dual/Start

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Unused college wrestling table templates. Gonnym (talk) 13:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Talkfact

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Propose merging Template:Talkfact with Template:Fake citation needed.
These templates are duplicates. {{talkfact}} just has |nice=yes to change the wording, and {{fake citation needed}} has namespace detection. The merge target follows WP:TPN's "standard English spelling, spacing, and capitalization", and the source can be a shortcut. 174.94.28.189 (talk) 06:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move {{Talkfact}} to {{Talk fact}} which is where it should have been. The two templates display similarly but have different functions. I, for example, want to be able to find all the documentation, by using "what links here" on {{Fake citation needed}}. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 19:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]
"What links here" indents redirects so that function would remain after any merger. Furthermore, at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Fake_citation_needed&limit=500, the majority of transclusions are outside templatespace (documentation) and apparently inside discussions. 174.94.28.189 (talk) 00:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JJPMaster (she/they) 13:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ME-lang

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Unused Middle-earth related lang template. Some of the languages are supported by {{lang}} (those with valid ISO), others if needed, can be added to the private-use range. Gonnym (talk) 10:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 12

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Template:Rollback and reviewer granted

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How often are people getting both of these rights at the same time? I don't see why we should have a template specifically for this instead of just using {{Rollback granted}} and {{Pending changes reviewer granted}} separately. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 23:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete – these are "thematically related", so I can see why the template was created, but I don't think that outweighs the costs of duplicating templates. If this could be reimplemented as a "thin wrapper" around {{rollback granted}} and {{pending changes reviewer granted}}, I'd support keeping it. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Lithuanian-Bermontian War

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Only links two pages (Lithuanian–Bermontian War and Battle of Radviliškis), which are already linked to each other. Should be either deleted (per WP:NENAN), or possibly merged with others into a wider navbox about the Lithuanian Wars of Independence. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gaardebaach

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Extremely excessive detail. This very small brook is not even mentioned outside Wikipedia, it seems[1] yet it has its own template, basically a step-by-step-guide of the few hundred meters this presumably exists. We are not a repository for stylized topographical maps of mainly non-notable entities (the Syre is notable, but hardly needs this overview of every minor thing it encounters in Contern)

The same goes for the other templates used on the same page:

@Fram Alright sure I admit I might have been a little carried away making some of these such as Réimeschbaach and Gaardebaach but the other rivers pass as far as I know WP:GEONATURAL and therefore the templates are potentially useful especially for Trudlerbaach and Syre. Although yes, I made those on the simple wiki a while ago and in hindsight, they are overdetailed and could do with some cleanup. As for Railways in Contern, I don't really see the problem to be honest, to me it seems like a useful addition for anyone trying to make Geographical sense of what is written in the Contern article. N1TH Music (talk) 18:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lzh

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Unnecessary wrapper of {{lang}}. We're moving away from specific templates for each language as they require an additional maintenance burden and are less flexible. See similar discussion for lang-?? templates. Replace usages with {{lang|lzh}} and delete template after. Gonnym (talk) 15:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect Can't this usage just be redirected to (or wrap) {{lang|lzh}}? This template only has transclusions on about forty articles and talkpages, but I'm worried what precedent this is setting for {{zhi}} (639 trans­clusions) and {{zh}} (~70,000 transclusions), both of which wrap {{lang-zh}}.
    Reducing maintenance burden is fine, but I neither A. want a bot run to blow up my watchlist on hundreds of articles substituting {{lang}} for wrappers of {{lang-zh}}, nor B. want to have to type {{lang|zh}} every single time I have to type Chinese characters somewhere, which might be dozens to hundreds of times per article, depending on the subject.
    Seems like it would be better to handle cases like these on the backend instead of forcing more specific syntax onto all editors (which is also a kind of maintenance burden). Folly Mox (talk) 16:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Alt

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This is used to show character text as images instead of actual selectable text. This is extremally unhelpful. Gonnym (talk) 14:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It was helpful to me, for what I used it for (which is documented on the page).
Happy to hear if there are better alternatives for achieving the same thing. Dingolover6969 (talk) 22:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When the text isn't selectable it is harmful. If you want to make unselectable text in your userspace, that's fine(?), but it should never be allowed in other places, especially no in an article. Gonnym (talk) 02:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it would generally be a harmful thing to do. The exceptions to that general principle are exactly what I made Alt for, as is clearly documented on the page. Such as working around the generally poor state of browser text rendering of ᵘ̄ by alt-ing a smallsup-made ū (in case you have one of the better browsers out there, the first one often renders as a superscript u with a line following it, when it's supposed to appear as a superscript u with a line over it).
This is really not much different from the math genre of templates, if that helps. For example, sfrac produces ⁠1/2⁠, which is then selectable as "⁠1/2", despite the fact that it displays as different text. Sometimes this is the most useful thing to do for the user. Dingolover6969 (talk) 10:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also interesting to note is the mediawiki extension <math> which renders formulae like “” as images that when selected seem to copy as text like “E = m c 2 {\displaystyle E=mc^{2}}”, which is just some garbage. I'm not in favor of this, and think it's overused, but it does serve to show that unselectable text in practice is already fairly common in articles. — And, in fact, the point of Alt is to make things like this, which display correctly, but also give them the correct textual value when copied, unlike the current <math>. Dingolover6969 (talk) 10:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to fix a specific character, create a template that produces the character in a font that produces the correct output. Gonnym (talk) 12:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League Member

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Project does not exist anymore. Gonnym (talk) 13:54, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Attached KML/A514 road

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Unused as A514 road was redirected. Gonnym (talk) 13:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Population Swedish municipality/Listaux

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Unused sub-page and not found in an insource search. Gonnym (talk) 13:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Certification Table Entry/Sales/SpanishPeriod

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Speedy delete. G7 SilverLocust 💬 23:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be no longer used anywhere in the code? [2]. Solidest (talk) 12:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Polytonic

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Template was deprecated years ago and is only found in one misuse of .css page. Template should be deleted. Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lang-grc-gre

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This template should be replaced with the newly created {{langx}}, which accepts various Greek languages:

  • ["grc-x-aeolic"] = "Aeolic Greek"
  • ["grc-x-attic"] = "Attic Greek"
  • ["grc-x-biblical"] = "Biblical Greek"
  • ["grc-x-byzant"] = "Byzantine Greek"
  • ["grc-x-classic"] = "Classical Greek"
  • ["grc-x-doric"] = "Doric Greek"
  • ["grc-x-hellen"] = "Hellenistic Greek"
  • ["grc-x-ionic"] = "Ionic Greek"
  • ["grc-x-koine"] = "Koinē Greek"
  • ["grc-x-medieval"] = "Medieval Greek"
  • ["grc-x-patris"] = "Patristic Greek"
  • ["grk-x-proto"] = "Proto-Greek"

Which Module:Lang/data, which handles the code says the above codes are preferred alternates to the non-standard catchall code grc-gre. See also the related TfD which deleted most individual lang-?? templates. Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Welcome-he-wiki and Template:Welcomeen-en

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Templates are redundant; Template:Welcomeen-he and Template:Welcome-foreign can be used instead (respectively). Frostly (talk) 04:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Seems to duplicate other templates. Gonnym (talk) 10:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, how are you? 2600:6C58:72F0:410:B5C8:12B5:B058:1C7 (talk) 04:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 11

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Template:National Diving Championships

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New navbox with no main article and no red links in the body. I looked around for applicable articles and did not find anything useful. Diving (sport)#National championships, for example, does not contain any blue links to articles. British Diving Championships exists, but it, like many articles about swimming and diving at a national level, is basically a stub. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Template:Alid rebellions

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Unused navigation template. If the pages on this need a navbox, they should use Template:Alids. Also, there is no place in navigation template for prose text like this. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I was about to add the template to relevant pages in the next few days. The argument of lumping all together into a single template on the Alids is a different discussion, but there is no rule either way, and the Alid rebellions are a significant political and military phenomenon that can easily stand alone in a navbox. There is also no rule against prose text if it serves to give context rather than confuse the reader. Constantine ✍ 18:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well over 2 months unused does not seem you were about to add it anywhere. Regardless, navboxes are for links and not prose text. Prose text requires citations per WP:V and citations also do not belong in navboxes. Text like Revolt of Mukhtar al-Thaqafi (685–687) which do not link to the revolt but links to the person is also a MOS:EGG link. This navbox while titled "rebellions" seems to only have 2 links of that nature. Gonnym (talk) 19:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:737 MAX series/styles.css

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused style template. Gonnym (talk) 11:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: To be honest, I don't really remember why I created that - {{737 MAX series}} looks fine already, and the TemplateStyles are unused. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:2025 Philippine Senate election results

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Unused as 2025 Philippine Senate election doesn't use it. If it should be used there than subst it and delete template. Gonnym (talk) 11:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to draftspace: As of this time, the Philippines' COMELEC has released the initial list of candidates for now, and I am planning to trim down or add names there once the list is final. This template is hidden in 2025 Philippine Senate election for now because there is a warning in the page that once the list is final, this template can be unhidden. Thank you. WhiteStar2000 (talk) 12:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to draftspace as per WhiteStar2000 or delete for now. We should probably have a final list by January 2025 and by then it should be recreated/moved to mainspace. By that time it would then be used in at least 2 articles, later 3 or more. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2010–11 Conference USA women's basketball standings

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Unused Conference USA women's basketball standings templates. There are no articles for the seasons so nowhere to place this on. Gonnym (talk) 11:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WPC online research

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Unused sidebar. Seems to duplicate Template:WPOCopyright, which itself is barely used. Gonnym (talk) 10:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WPCGR/Backlog

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Goodnightmush (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 15:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused and not used at the page the documentation says it is used at. Gonnym (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:My

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Unnecessary wrapper of {{lang}}. We're moving away from specific templates for each language as they require an additional maintenance burden and are less flexible. See similar discussion for lang-?? templates. Replace usages with {{lang|my}} and delete template after. Gonnym (talk) 03:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 10

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Tallinn Trophy templates

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Not a notable enough figure skating competition to warrant separate templates. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Châu Thành district

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Disambig template (the first one) filled with mostly redlinks to non-existent templates. However, the only two existing templates only have one link. The latter of which has a redirect with everything else red for both navboxes. No navigation is met. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Articles should be created before these navboxes can be used (or created). Gonnym (talk) 10:22, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IIHF World Women's Championship winners

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The template duplicates information already covered at {{IIHF Women's World Championships}}, and only provides navigation to two teams: Canada and the USA. This also adds unnecessary WP:TCREEP to the national team articles. Flibirigit (talk) 21:10, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - We don't need copies. GoodDay (talk) 21:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries imagemap

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Unused election imagemap. Gonnym (talk) 12:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2024 United States state legislative elections (upper house) imagemap

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Unused election imagmap. Gonnym (talk) 12:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2024 United States presidential election B

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Unused election infobox templates. The infobox itself belongs on only one article, the main election one. All sub-articles should not use an infobox (sentiment probably shared by other editors, hence why these are unused). Gonnym (talk) 12:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: unfortunately we weren’t able to use a template for the article(s). Prcc27 (talk) 20:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 9

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Template:United States 1987 Rugby World Cup squad

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There is precedent to not have squad navboxes for teams that did not do well; none of the teams listed here have even made it out of the pool stage of the Rugby World Cup. Primefac (talk) 22:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Neil Breen

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WP:NENAN, only three valid links. 3 other articles deleted and redirected. The Banner talk 21:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Zolotonosha and similar Russia Ukraine navboxes

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Navbox with no transclusions and no (or too few) articles to navigate among. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Puffery

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Propose merging Template:Puffery into Template:Promotional.

There seems to be little substantial difference between {{Puffery}}'s message ("This article contains wording that promotes the subject through exaggeration of unnoteworthy facts)" and that of {{Promotional}} ("This article contains promotional content"), to which it should be redirected. Reducing the number of similar templates decreases the cognitive load on editors, making it easier to know which to use. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Newspapers in Norway

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What is the point of this ugly clutter?. Norway has almost 300 newspapers, and I don't see any redeeming qualities in a navigation box between all of them – not to mention hundreds of defunct newspapers, which are unelegantly thrown into the mix as well. Geschichte (talk) 09:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I find navboxes on newspapers for a specific country to be quite useful in navigating myself. I would advise removing the redlinks, and splitting off the defunct ones into their own part. PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, rather big but certainly valid and useful. The Banner talk 21:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Public records laws in the United States

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Unused with no mainspace article. Nothing connects other than the similarities of these laws. No real unifying topic presented. All articles are under Category:Freedom of information legislation in the United States. But no main article exists for this category so a navbox isn't necessary or needed. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the title should be changed to "Freedom of information laws in the United States"? Gonnym (talk) 09:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:Show button

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This template is essentially unused these days with only some 2 dozen uses. Whatever it was used for before, it is no longer used for today. I suspect most uses today use CSS and additional divs to manage any weird leanings of content (such as {{navbox}} does). Izno (talk) 05:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject New York Jets

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This is an inactive subproject of Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League, not its own wikiproject. Task forces/subprojects/work groups whathaveyou are done through a parameter on the parent project template, not its own template. Should be merged with the parent project. edit: I meant to nominate this for merging not deletion. Apologies. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, replace and delete; Merge with Template:WikiProject National Football League, add |jets= to the template, replace usages and delete template. Gonnym (talk) 12:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 8

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Template:AVN Transgender

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Mostly unlinked text. Three links does not meet the WP:NENAN threshold. --woodensuperman 16:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User:GlowstoneUnknown/GenderError

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete. WOSlinker (talk) 20:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Created in wrong namespace and was a duplicate of another template which is already located at User:GlowstoneUnknown/Userboxes/GenderError. Gonnym (talk) 09:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objections, I made a mistake while trying to get the Template to work on my Userpage. As long as the working version of the Template that's in the correct namespace (and in use on both my Userpage and the Gallery) is untouched. – GlowstoneUnknown (Talk) 09:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:WIR-doc/create doc preload

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Preload template that doesn't seem to be used anymore. Couldn't find it with an insource search. Gonnym (talk) 09:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:North East Conservative Party MPs

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Unused navigation templates. Seems to have been replaced with Template:Conservative Party UK MPs. Gonnym (talk) 08:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:North West Labour Party MPs

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Unused navigation templates. Seems to have been replaced with Template:Labour Party UK MPs. Gonnym (talk) 08:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NC Dinos roster

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Unused team roster template. Was removed from article here. Gonnym (talk) 08:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox papal document/in curiam

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Unused infobox sub template. Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unused sub template. Its addition was reverted here. Gonnym (talk) 08:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox medical condition (old)/Wikidata

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Unused Wikidata infobox and a sub page of an older version of the infobox. Gonnym (talk) 08:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Carlos Varela (singer-songwriter)

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WP:NENAN, just one link to an existing article, the rest redirects to the singer The Banner talk 02:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Origin of attack in Israel

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No transclusions or incoming links. Categorized as an infobox template, but it is not an infobox template. Created in early 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 7

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Template:IIHF World Junior Championship winners

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{{IIHF World U20 Championships}} has existed since 2009, and includes a link to List of IIHF World Junior Championship medalists which contains the same information making the newer template redundant. Flibirigit (talk) 17:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's different. The existing template list the information about event edition. The newer template is only list the winners (champions), it seems that hasn't any problem while many other sports Championships also make a newer template to list the winners. Stevencocoboy (talk) 02:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The information is already available in the existing template. Putting information into a different format goes against WP:TCREEP. Simpler is best. Flibirigit (talk) 16:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Fatima Bhutto

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Only two links. Not enough for a navbox. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 22:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:This page is a test

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There is no viable usage for this. Template and module tests should go in their /testcases pages which is already handled by templates. Article tests should go in the Draft space if needed. Other tests can be done in the relevant test pages. Gonnym (talk) 16:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That page isnt a test its for user sandboxes like mine that may not meet what wiki is for Washweans (talk) 14:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User sandboxes belong in userspace per Wikipedia:About_the_sandbox#User_namespace. 76.71.3.150 (talk) 11:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Japanese football clubs 2023 season

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These two templates are both forks of {{2023 in Japanese football}} and {{2024 in Japanese football}}. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 16:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EmmyAward GameShow

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Useless for navigation as the award has only been given twice, both times to the same show --woodensuperman 15:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Economics and Business books

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This is just a unencyclopedic opinion essay by a banned sock. There are no sources cited as to why those specific entries were included or any criteria separating it from Category:Finance books. This appears to be nothing more than a list of books that the sock agrees with. 76.71.3.150 (talk) 12:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Nepal Premier League

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Not enough blue links to warrant a template. All team articles are either deleted, redirected to main NPL article or part of an AFD that will result in their deletion. Thus that leaves only 3 blue links (the main article, the season article, and the ground article which is only tangentially relevant anyway). All of these are already linked together in article space, so template is not required. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Lanka Premier League

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Propose merging Template:WikiProject Lanka Premier League with Template:WikiProject Cricket.
These 4 projects were redirected into the newly created Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Asia cricket task force. They should now use the project banner with a new asia parameter like {{WikiProject Cricket|asia=yes}}. Gonnym (talk) 10:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose merge, these templates could instead be converted into wrapper templates for {{WikiProject Cricket}} by using the following code,
{{WikiProject Cricket{{{{{|safesubst:}}}ifnotempty|{{{class|}}}|{{{{{|safesubst:}}}!}}class{{{{{|safesubst:}}}=}}{{{class|}}}}}|Asia=yes}}

@Gonnym: It could be done once the draft banner in Template:WikiProject Cricket/sandbox is moved to the main one. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vestrian24Bio please explain how exactly that wrapper with the parameter |Asia=yes works with your oppose. Gonnym (talk) 15:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: If a wrapper template like below for example has been added to a page, it will be substituted as the following one,
  • {{WikiProject Example|class=C}} will substitute as {{WikiProject Cricket|class=C|Asia=yes}}
  • {{WikiProject Example}} will substitute as {{WikiProject Cricket|Asia=yes}}
Tools like WP:RATER has native support for wrapper templates and will substitute them directly. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See Category:WikiProject Africa banner wrapper templates for some examples... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 04:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you'd take a look at those pages you'd see that I've edited a lof of them. My point was that you can't use |Asia=yes as it doesn't exist. Why doesn't it exist? Because you just opposed it's addition. Gonnym (talk) 06:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in this situation a wrapper is incorrect. The wrapper does not set |Pakistan Super League=yes, |Indian Premier League=yes so a user using these would end up with an unexpected result, unlike Template:WikiProject Angola which does set |Angola=yes. Gonnym (talk) 06:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't oppose the addition of |Asia=, I opposed the template merger which would result in the previous templates being left as redirects. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: Let's keep the discussion here only then.
Now, what would exactly be done if the TfD is made consensus to merge... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: The edit request I placed on the talk page involved the implementations of,
  • FormerFA, FormerFL, FormerGA, Current event and Cricket Collaboration
  • Re-worded text for |MAIN_TEXT=
  • New image for |IMAGE_LEFT=
  • Taskforces for ICC, Women's cricket, Africa, Americas, Europe and EAP
How any of these are related to this discussion??? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no issues with the first 3 bulleted points, I oppose the task force one as I've explained being a separate discussion from the merge as the merge was the exact point of it and we would end up here anyways, which is a WP:DISCUSSFORK. Gonnym (talk) 13:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the task force, I've explained above, that adding |Asia=yes to the template will allow for the merger of these 4 templates, which you've opposed. Additionally, you've proposed making them wrappers, but that adds more confusion as they don't produce the result a user would expect to get from them, as they aren't a 1:1 wrapper, but a wrapper of a redirected name. That's isn't really helpful. Gonnym (talk) 14:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: But, what about the other 6 task forces; they are freshly new ones-no mergers - we can add them to the banner now as they are unrelated to the TfD. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket#Merge WikiProjects back into this project the question was regarding a merge of four Asian projects, but at the end of the discussion you proposed creating additional task forces. Are you sure that is the actual consensus there? See KjjjKjjj's comment My only main concern is that some of the task forces might be inactive most of the time due to little coverage. Creating task forces pre-emptively where no one actually said they'll be a part of and which would stay inactive isn't helpful. I'd say close the ones you created (other than Asia) and wait until a group of editors actually want to work in that area. Note that there is a lot of maintenance required for task forces, even inactive ones (categories, templates, gnoming, etc.). Gonnym (talk) 14:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was a clear consensus for Asia task force (see the comments of that discussion, task force was endorced by me too, despite initially proposing a merge). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Old discussions

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November 5

Template:WikiProject Glass

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Propose merging Template:WikiProject Glass with Template:WikiProject Physics.
{{WikiProject Glass}} is not a WikiProject, but a taskforce of {{WikiProject Physics}} @ Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Glass. Taskforce-ify {{WikiProject Glass}} into {{WikiProject Physics}}, then replace all ~1900 transclusions with {{WikiProject Physics|glass=yes|...}}.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  01:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but I would recommended leaving it a wrapper template as that makes it easier to find when assessing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I personally would support complete deletion. I found that the wrappers are more trouble than they are worth. Editors adding these with, or without tools, do not even care they are adding duplicate templates so we will end up with both the Glass wrapper (which would be subst by a bot) and the Physics one. Gonnym (talk) 08:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Quite a few of the tagged articles are more to do with art rather than physics and merging the banners would add the physics banner to a number of pages that are not relevant to the physics project. Maybe the glass project should not be a taskforce or maybe they need to tidy up the tagging to be just physics related first? -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Glass & Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics notified.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support glass WikiProject is dead.--ReyHahn (talk) 16:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 4

Template:Countdown2

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No transclusions, documentation, or categories. Created in April 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a work in progress still. I don't think simply being unused is a valid justification for deletion. If the template has no prospective use then yeah. Awesome Aasim 20:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually now that this is mostly finished I don't think there is a good reason for deletion. The template is dependent on another module Module:Countdown2 for functionality. I created it because the first countdown module is a bit complicated. This one you can spit in any date and it will give the appropriate countdown (or hide it) for that module. Awesome Aasim 01:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:R tagged automatically

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No transclusions or documentation. There are two incoming links from discussions; one says that the template is a draft, and the other says that it does not appear to be finished. The category that is intended to be used by this template does not exist. It appears to be an abandoned experiment. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Jonesey95, essentially, the idea was that Rcat shell could automatically detect and place rcats such as protection level etc. Implementing this would means removing them from the rcat shell, leaving it empty - therefore, I made this template to be placed when there are no manual rcats. It would also be useful for tracking rcats that don't have any helpful rcats that describe its purpose. Unfortunately, discussion stalled so I never went ahead with creating the associated category. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:UK general election opinion polling

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Redundant sidebar-type template as the navbox Template:Opinion polling for United Kingdom elections is better served for navigation to articles about polls for UK elections. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite useful in many cases like Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election. Better to just remove it from the articles where it isn't useful rather than as a blanket policy. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 18:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, though even then I can't think of a time I've run into it outside of UK polling articles anyway. Pretty useful navigational template Bejakyo (talk) 20:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:UK general election navigation

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Obtrusive template which does not help to navigate articles on national UK elections. Better left to templates. Nothing more than a sidebar taking up space. For instance, on the 1802 United Kingdom general election article it appears next to the election infobox but in the middle in the top part of the article. And it appears like that for many articles. Navigation for election articles is best left for templates like navboxes. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've not had this issue, and would disagree with it's removal Bejakyo (talk) 20:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly this is screwing up the layout of election pages way more for me, sorry. Liverals (talk) 21:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is a tiny box that does what navboxes already do. Not having any issue with it personally doesn't mean it should remain. Navboxes are far better than this template for transcluding election article links. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 01:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aware that as an IP I don't have a !vote here, but my 2¢ in case it helps: I find these types of navigation aids useful. I'd like more of them in more places covering more subjects! When you're idly browsing the 'pedia, which I do more often than is healthy, this type of thing is great to have in an article.
But... this one is indeed intrusive. It gets in the way on a number of articles and isn't usefully responsive (a problem we have with a number of templates here). Where it appears is a bit random because of that, which negates much of its usefulness.
Perhaps there's a third way between keep and delete? Could it be combined into the infobox that appears in each article? Or 'docked' somewhere (I have no idea what I mean by this, I admit)? And I know the infobox has "<-- last election | next election -->" navigation, but the previous two and the next two is really useful, honestly! 81.2.123.64 (talk) 17:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is already a navbox at the bottom of articles. And there are two articles linked in infoboxes, one for preceding and succeeding elections. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Completed discussions

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A list of completed discussions that still require action taken on the template(s) — for example, a merge between two infoboxes — can be found at the "Holding Cell".

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